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Driving in France?
Then this web site is a must:
http://about-france.com/travel.htm

email Brian,

Environmentally Safe Toilet Treatment for motorhomes, caravans and boats:
http://www.bioprox.co.uk

For a Holiday with a difference in a Motorhome, see this link:
http://www.landyonline.co.za/off_road/dipli/twd2.htm

Great Ormond Street Hospital
Children's Charity 
Great Ormond Street Hospital, Children's Charity, 40 Bernard Street, London.  WC1N 1LE
Tel: 020 7239 3000 
Click on the link to donate
http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/about-us/

As author and maintainer of this web site. I do not save, retain, or sell  any email addresses of those who email me. Should you not get a reply from me, please send again, I might have missed it in my spam catcher!

Additions to Motorhome pages:-
1.Fitting New Automatic Water System Pump
2.Winterising the water pump.
3.Water Tank Level Meter-modification to electronic circuit

4.Basin Mixer Taps - tip & how to repair a dripping tap.
5.Extending Fresh Water Drain Tap to Outside

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To Page Links & Contents  Index

Contents:
1. Engine Wiring Drawings Wiring found inside engine compartment. 2. Control Panel Drawing. 
3. Complete Internal Drawing of Van area.  4. Leisure Battery. 5. Dash 12Volt Meter. 6. Renovated Split Charge Relays
7. Tank Level Meter 8. Fuse Holders


Engine Wiring & Split Charge Relays

This is the schematic drawing and photo, of the wiring setup in the engine compartment of the AUTOHOMES WANDERER. [Also most Motorhomes.] The cables are then sent under the chassis to the control panel on the wardrobe cupboard wall.

When travelling the one relay passes current to the fridge, while it  turns off all electrics to the caravan section.

The other relay turns the leisure battery to the van Alternator charging circuit so the alternator charges both batteries when travelling.

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The drawing of the two relays, as found in the engine compartment.
 Usually called;
 SPLIT CHARGE RELAYS 

The two relays, as found in the engine compartment.

The two relays, as found in the engine compartment.
See drawing on the left.

Mar. 2012
I have rebuilt the split relay assembly from parts obtained from the 'Web'
See here

     Being concerned about the leisure battery, whether it was being charged I have fitted a panel voltmeter. The +Ve terminal is connected to Re 2. terminal 87, the other one is connected to chassis.  As soon as the alternator gives an output charge voltage, the relay turns on to the fridge, and also to the Leisure battery. This monitors and indicates when the ignition is turned on, this also shows the alternator  producing a charge voltage to the leisure battery.
     So this simple modification has a number of functions, as soon as the engine is started it shows the alternator is charging, it shows the voltage produced by the alternator, it shows the voltage going to the fridge, it shows the voltage going to the leisure battery.
     The schematic drawing can be seen above in the SPLIT CHARGE RELAYS 

Renovated Split Relay AssemblyRenovated Split Relays in position, along side battery secured on back panel

Voltage meter in position

Voltage Meter in position, the meter is tapped off the Re.2 terminal 30

Voltage Meter in Position

Voltage Meter in position, the meter is tapped off the Split relay assembly, Re.2 terminal 87


Peugeot Boxer Internal Fuse Problem

Recent problem when driving down to the South of France, the leisure battery was not charging properly due to the split charge relays.

Symptom, while on site using our LED lamps for reading, they did not last the evening. As this was a new battery It was time for concern.

In my Autohomes Wanderer they use two relays in a 'split charger' arrangement. So I replaced the two relays. This did not produce a solution. So I started a component check, the first was the fuse which supplied the charge line to the Leisure battery. Should have done this first!

I found the fuse body had melted, but the fuse was intact. Checking the fuse body retainers I found the retainers were covered with a black film. This black covering in turn caused a resistance with the fuse spades, which reduced the charge current. Any resistance passing current will also produce heat. So the heat melted the fuse body, this combination almost eliminated any charge to the leisure battery.

Solution, change the fuse retainers. In the middle of France this was not an option. I had some very fine sand paper to hand, cleaned the contacts and contracted the 'U' shape retainers for a better contact. I replaced the fuse. Problem solved.

Must also ensure the fuses used are of good quality. That fuse body should not have melted.

As the Peugeot Boxer has a bank of similar fuse retainers I have made a mental note to check these when I return home. [ See above where I have renovated the split charge assembly relays ]


ZIG CONTROL PANEL

From the previous drawing, the wires go to the drawing below.
See Page 17 for addition of new voltmeter to the control Panel.

    Below is the circuit diagram of the control panel fitted to the Autohomes Wanderer. [ Is also common to a lot of Motorhomes.]

Fuse box Panel

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The Zig Panel
(http://www.zig-electronics.co.uk/index1.htm)

The new Analogue Battery monitor Voltmeter

The New Battery Monitor Voltmeter

 

Fuse Box Control Panel in Wanderer

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Rear of the Fuse Box. The original  Cover was much too large and protruded into the wardrobe space, so I constructed a smaller one, and added shelves.

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The tangled web as found inside the fuse box.
[Not my doing]

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A view of the wires which can be seen in the drawings in this page.


Water Tank Level Meter

      My vehicle is 12 years old now, but the Fresh water tank level meter was always something that caused a problem reading the levels. I have since found, after removing the tank inspection lid for maintenance, that the meter probes just don't go near the bottom. So when the tank shows empty it is actually 1/4 full!

The other problem is, the adjustment on the meter. I have found that any level adjustment should be done when the tank is FULL.

     No matter how carefull I am, while adjusting my meter, it would go hard over to stop, and is now showing signs of bending. This is an electronic design problem and I'm suprised the coach builder allowed this.

     Having done a reverse engineering check of the Meter, below can be seen my modification where I have inserted a 10K ohm variable resistor to stop the meter exceeding it's current rating and halting it going over to stop block.

     After modification, to adjust; when tank is full, place panel adjuster in the centre, and adjust the modified added variable 10k ohm resistor for full/max. position. That can now be left and any future adjustments can be done on the panel adjuster.

Water Tank Level Meter Drawing

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A Complete Wire Drawing of the interior in the Autohomes Wanderer.

The above two drawings have been incorporated into the drawing below.

The drawing and colouring of the wires I have checked in my own Motorhome. While this is an example of my system, many Motorhomes use a similar wiring arrangement.
You can see from the drawing that the "Caravan" area is electrically isolated while the vehicle is in motion, except for the fridge.  This is to ensure that any intermittent uses of the electrics while travelling will not affect the ABS on the brakes.  A steady flow of current to the fridge is not an intermittent flow and is not considered a hazard to the brakes while in motion.
The fridge has constant current to it when using the 12volts from the battery as the thermostat adjustment is isolated by default.

The Spot Lamps and TV Amp,  in the drawing is an extra modification.

The ZIG charger to the Autohomes Wanderer Leisure battery supplements the battery voltage and was built in from new.
See:
ZIG ELECTRONICS LTD SAXON BUS PARK STOKE PRIOR BROMSGROVE B60 4AD 015 2757 7800

[Recent information has suggested that ZIG move their workshops regularly, so the above information must be checked]

Note how the charger is connected to the wiring, and  also the method of fitting fuses to the Leisure Battery. These fuses are fitted within inches [Centimetres] of the battery terminal. This is to ensure that should the wiring be short circuited between the battery and the Control Panel a fire hazard is averted.
If these are not fitted, the Motorhome builder's 25 Amp fuse before the engine compartment relays will not protect the vehicle.

Another important feature of the Motorhome wiring is the EARTH cable to the chassis. This should be connected by the coachbuilder and a label attatched to the fixing point, just as one would see in the home; 'Safety electrical connection, do not remove' This wire usually a 4mm Green & Yellow cable which goes back to the electical mains fittings. This can be seen on the drawing attached to the Hook up point.

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Complete Wiring diagram found in the Wanderer
[Click on the drawing for a larger image.]


Leisure Battery

There can be considerable evaporation at 35 degrees .......

Don't forget to regularly check the electrolyte level of your leisure battery, especially during a long stay in hot climates as there can be considerable evaporation at 35 degrees. It happened to us, when we disconnected from our hookup at Oliva on the Costa Blanca we wondered why the battery condition indicator showed a problem. 3.5 litres of water later we knew the reason. Thankfully the battery is now OK but it could have been ruined.

The information above came from Roger's site:
http://www.a-motorhome-on-tour.co.uk/asp/message.htm


Fuse Holders

           An Email from a reader of this site who had lost his fuse holder on the Zig panel set me thinking of a solution, as he was unable to obtain a new one.

            I have come across this problem often in the course of my work. Mechanics would take out the fuse holder to stop the radio equipment from discharging the battery while vehicles were in the workshop. They could never find them afterwards!

            Often this vehicle would be required urgently with the transmitting equipment also working. I found myself with no spares very often. My solution was as sketch below.

No.1. solution is to take a wire from a fused position and place it on the faulty fuse. Then increase the fuse rating slightly, for example from 10 Amps to 15Amps.

No.2. solution is to solder an in line fuse onto the faulty fuse holder.

          I have illustrated the sketch as it would be found at the back of the ZIG panel.

Alternative method of repair for fuse holders

The above could be considered emergency get you going repairs.

Maplins the electronics supplier in the UK, have a wide variety of fuse holders which are complete and could be fitted in the positions of the faulty fuse holder.
See their web site: www.maplin.co.uk


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Graham
To: brian[at]ourwanderer.org.uk 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:30 PM

Subject: wildwind

Hello brian, 
I must be copying you we sold our eclipse and got a 1998 wildwind also made by Autohomes.

I have a question for you; Will your interior lights in the Motorhome work with the engine running??  My ones won't.

Is this a safety measure or has a fuse gone. I wondered if the power surge to the zig is to much with engine running. My other motor homes I  have owned, i.e. Bedford Orlando and the Eclipse all managed to have lights on with engine running. The model I have has a 2.5ltr Diesel engine, where the others were petrol.  Perhaps you could muse this over and come up with an answer for me. 

 Funny thing is you put us in touch with the traffic club and now we have changed models to.

Regards 

GRAHAM

 

Hi Graham,

Sorry I've not replied sooner, nice to hear from you again. 

We have just returned form a 5 weeks tour of France Spain and Portugal.

Congratulations on your purchase of the "wildwind."  I fancied that one myself.

Regarding your problem, you don't have a problem.  

The Common market introduced a ruling that all electrical equipment extra to the a car/van electrics must be turned off during the time the vehicle is motion. This is to ensure that electrics not tested by the van manufacturer will not interfere with the ABS electronic brakes or other new electrics. 

To ensure the Motorhome complies, the Coachbuilder has introduced relays which turn all electrics off when travelling, except to the fridge which takes 12volts from this relay to run it.

You will find the relay drawings and explanation in my web site: www.ourwanderer.org/wan8.htm

The Elddis Eclipse was manufactured before this ruling came into force.

I have thought about changing this system in my Motorhome as it does not have ABS brakes! On second thoughts better not as it could affect the Insurance.

Brian.


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ian

To: b.b.walters@btinternet.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:25 PM

Subject: Battery Chargers

 Hi Brian,

I have been meaning to drop you a line ever since we got back but never quite  got round to it. I hope you enjoyed the rest of your trip? I'm sure you did.

We were sorry we did not see you both again at Burgos. We had a super last couple of weeks before arriving home.

I still have not fixed my awning but I'm thinking about it! 

 What do you know about Battery Chargers Brian? My Leisure Battery seems to  have just gone flat. I know I can replace it or get it charged up but I am  wondering how I can tell if the automatic on board charger is working or not. The so called Instruction and Maintenance Manual is worse than useless (Why do we  put up with these things!)

Well, Brian I am not much good at writing letters but keep in touch, let us  know what you are doing.

Best regards 

Ian

 

Hi Ian,

What a surprise, I never thought we would hook up again.

When we got to Burgos my wife wanted a supermarket, we got to the one at the entrance to the town.  What a place! every thing there.

Coming out we got lost, so took the main road out and had a night on the A1? which run's parallel with the Motorway.

Regarding your problem with the leisure battery have a look at my website: www.ourwanderer.org/wan8.htm there you will find I have given some information and drawings you could work with.

But to reply to your query, First check the charger at it's source. the reason I mention this, is because the test I will suggest depends on your charger being functional.

Hook-up the mains electric to your van.

Try and ensure that the charger is OK, are there any indicator lights on.

Check the fuse to the charger. Can you get at the terminals, check the voltages out from it.

Can you check if the mains is going into the charger.

If all is OK.

Take off the positive terminal of the leisure battery.

Check for any voltage on the terminal taken off , should be about 13.8Volts.

If you have no volts then the mains charger has either been turned off, blown a fuse, or could be faulty.

Replace the battery terminal to the leisure.

If it has a voltage but drops down when you place the terminal it on the battery terminal, then the charger is faulty.

Check the voltage when the terminal has been replaced. make note of it.

Take off the hook-up cable.

Start up your engine.

Check the voltage at the positive terminal, it should increase above the previous noted voltage.

If it does not then the charge from the alternator is not reaching the leisure battery.

Turn off the engine.

Make checks in side the engine compartment. Try and print the drawings from my web site, and have them beside you.

The next check is the cable from the starter battery to the two switch relays.

An explanation of these devices can be seen in my web site.

On my Motorhome at this point, there is a fuse which controls the voltage to the caravan area. this also supplies the charge voltage to the leisure battery.

On my previous Motorhome the fuse holder had melted, the plastic could not  take the current.

Using my drawings you must check these relays and their functions to ensure they operate when cold and when the engine is running

Best Regards,

Brian & Avril 


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